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The real violent History of Islam

by Michael Lamb 

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-- Michael Lamb 

The United States of America is about to enter a war it does not either A)
understand; or B) accept the scope of, or C) both. Everyone is preaching
tolerance while the real evil goes unabated. 

I don't advocate violence, but I don't tolerate it either! If I have to
fight, I fight, and I fight to win! I ask for no quarters and I give none.
Does that sound like Islam to you? Well that is their intent! Only ONE side
can win according to Islam. There can be only one religion in the end
according to Islam. The question is; which one? (Not that you the reader
might believe otherwise, by wishful thinking, but rather, by what Islam
teaches, what Muslims think, and most importantly, how Muslims act
concerning this.) 

Now of course many of you will say, Hey - wait, there are many good Muslims,
and many will say, the majority are good peaceful Muslims. And of course
there have been many posts in the News Group stating things both ways,
specifically some Muslims trying to point out that Islam is peaceful. In the
rest of this article I will try to point out why this NOT AT ALL correct! 

Where To Start? What To Consider? 

We start by considering history itself. Both the religion of Islam and
Western Society has its own versions of what it considers the truth, of its'
history as well as how it views the others' history. Before we start we must
consider which version we wish to follow, or how much of each we wish to
accept; And then we must consider the consequences of any combination
thereof. And from a Western viewpoint we must also consider what we call
revisionist history. This is because revisionist history is based upon the
theory and philosophy that everything has an opposing viewpoint, and the
only opposing viewpoint to what has been written about Islam, from a Western
viewpoint, is something relating to or integrating some Islamic viewpoints. 

The combinations and conditions are as follows: Accept Islamic history, you
will disagree with this article. Accept revisionist history and you will
disagree with this article. Accept some of both standard Western History and
Islamic or revisionist history and you will not only disagree with parts of
this article, you will have shown you have no basis for arbitrarily choosing
either, but ONLY what you want to believe. This would mean you most likely
have a lot of wishful thinking, hoping for the best without due
consideration to the reality of the facts as presented from the accepted
standards of past Western History. This would come from a good dose of the
humanistic courses now taught at all school levels, including college. (This
has become increasingly worse over the last 30 years. ) Modern mind
conditioning from too much television and mass media also helps to
drastically develop this mindset. 

Finally note the problem of revisionist history itself; It becoming a new
standard of teaching during the last 30 years. This coming from the new age
philosophies of humanism, materialism and new age religions. (including many
versions of Christianity as well as the liberalization of Catholicism. ) All
of which requires the rewriting and re-nterpretation of past history. OR you
can accept the standards of Western History from its' first recordings, of
which I resend to you. However if you do accept this, be warned, you may not
like the conclusions; but is it reality, is the question you must ask
yourself? 

We Start With the Initial Beginning of Islam: 

Founded by a camel driver in the Arabian desert after he married the woman
who hired him. She was 15 years his senior. After marriage he gave up his
work and studied religion. In 622AD he had to flee from Mecca to the city of
Yathrib in the Arabian Peninsula because of his teachings, of which he had
denounced all other forms of religion. This is known as the official year of
the founding of Islam. In Islam their calendar year begins here with 0
(zero)AH. 

He became magistrate of the city and renamed it Medina, meaning "City of the
Prophet". He acquired 12 wives while there. He took in many followers and
combined the religion into the politics. When the Jews rejected his calls to
convert, he turned against the Jews in Medina and elsewhere. 

He plundered and looted all caravans passing anywhere within his reach. With
this loot, he and his followers built a large treasury for the city, which
was used to increase his army of followers. Of which he was able too ever
increasingly gain more and more territory. Eventually leading to war with
the city of Mecca, which he defeated, and then he easily took the rest of
the Arabian Peninsula. He was in constant warfare from the time he became
magistrate of Yathrib(Medina), in 622AD, until his death in 632AD. In that
time period of 12 years, Mohammed had conquered the whole of the Arabian
Peninsula. 

In the next 12 years, under the next two caliph's or leaders of Islam, the
religion would go on to take Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt, Persia, and
Mesopotamia! ALL BY FORCE AND WARFARE! Let's see that's 24 years of Islam
and 24 years of warfare! This would put the year at 644AD or 24AH. 

The next two caliph's continued the same ways as their predecessors. They
took the areas/regions of North Africa, parts of India, and Spain. The
caliph's line continues, and the wars continue unabated. If it had not been
for Charles Martel's victory in 732AD at the Battle of Tours; France,
Germany and the rest of Europe would have surely fallen. So we have 110
years of Islam and we have 110 years of Islamic warfare against the rest of
the world. We have all the lands from Turkey to India, to North Africa to
Spain, all in the hands of Islam! Oh, don't the Arabian Peninsula, Mid-east
and Persia! But finally Islam has been slowed down, but only temporarily. 

Now instead of large areas conquered in the name of Islam, it is smaller
areas. Still Islam's drive for land and conquering people does not stop. By
mid 1050AD, a period of 318 years, Islam has gained more ground, driving
north towards Russia, northeast towards the Caspian Sea and Kazakhstan,
Central Asia, and northeast towards the Balkans and Greece. Constantinople,
a main center of Catholicism was being threatened. Something must be done to
stop Islam again, or else Constantinople itself would fall, and then
Greece!Roman Popish armies fought off Islam armies alone until 1096AD, with
armies of up to 50, 000 men each, battling one Muslim front. Pope Urban II
in 1096AD, because of deteriorating conditions, and the threat to
Constantinople, called upon all of Christendom to contribute armies, men and
material to once and for all drive the Muslims back out of Asia Minor, and
maybe back, just past Palestine. 

This was the first call of the "Crusades". A series of wars that would last
almost another 450 years, with only small lapses in time between major wars,
between another Holy Jihad and another Crusade! It would be correct to state
for all practical purposes, that the war was constant until approximately
1550AD! Now if you the reader will just take a minute and do some simple
math, it becomes more than clear that since the inception of Islam in 622AD,
that Islam has been a religion of constant and consistent war! It has become
the world's ultimate long distance war machine, regardless to what ANY OTHER
historian has to say, in my opinion! Of the time period listed above, it is
more than safe to say that Islam had been at war for more than 600 of its'
approx. 900 years of existence. And even during that time of 300 years, they
were still fighting wars, only on a smaller and more defined scale. Even as
late as the mid 1500's, was only the last Muslim strongholds defeated in
Spain! That is how persistent the Muslims were! 

Now, I am sure more than a few of you will disagree with parts of the
account I have given. That is human nature and I understand that. But
consider this, generally: We do know for a fact that Islam started in the
Arabian Peninsula after 620AD, and by 1000AD it had spread to vast regions,
from India to Spain, to North Africa, to Turkey, and Central Asia. That is
in a time period of less than 400 years. And we know more lands were
conquered by Muslims after that. 

Now after all this writing, the ONLY point I have been trying to make is
this: Islam has been a religion of constant and consistent warfare. It is a
war machine that never ever quits! Even in defeat in battle, it is looking
forward, for its' next Holy Jihad! It is efficient and it is ruthless! It
takes no prisoners! Either you convert to Islam or you are killed!
Everywhere that Islam has maintained control of those lands listed above, NO
other religion is allowed to openly exist, IF AT ALL! Near the end of my
article I will list some websites for you to go, and read for yourself, why
this is so, according to the Koran, Q'uran and other Islamic Books and
writings. Plus I will shortly give you some simple specific quotes and
references to get you started. 

To save time I will skip from the mid 1500's to the 20 and 21st centuries,
giving you the reader the benefit of the doubt, here, and times involved.
This because Islam's spread did slow down during this time, to its slowest
rate since its' inception. The Crusades had managed to drain Islam of its
ability to wage all out warfare. 

After WWII Islam started making a comeback from its' low point since its
inception. Islam started to spread again, and under many new guises and
pretenses. I won't go into the details, but we know that new forms of
terrorism evolved with Islam. Islam also began to spread in the name of
peace for the first time. That it was some kind of peaceful religion, and
modern humanistic philosophy was all the more willing to embrace it. (Plus
the mystic effect was of great benefit in fostering new interested and
curious people, who seen Islam as something unique and different during the
early 1950's. ) Not that the Islamic teaching of peace was new, but rather
the way Islam applied this teaching to Western Society. Islam took the
approach of implying its' peaceful nature also included many peoples. More
specifically targeted at Christians and Catholics to divert any negative
rebuttals from hard line Christians and Catholics. . 

So actually we now have Islam spreading by the calling of peace as well as
by practicing terrorism, and by most of all, what is called the Holy
Jihad's. The rebirth of Israel helped foster this more than anything, but it
was only a catalyst to re-ignite the age old calls for more Holy Jihads.
This teaching had never died, nor had there even been a redefinition of the
term. It was just conditions and timings had not previously permitted wide
ranging calls for Holy Jihads, nor was their any unifying rallying point.
Israel solved all this. It gave Islam a shot in the arm to reignite its'
warring traditions. 

Islam has now spread to the Philippines, and it is now in the process of
cleansing the country of all other religions, including Christianity and
Catholicism. It has taken over the Southeast Asian country of Indonesia, the
world's third most populated country, with a population of over 1 billion
people. Several countries, south bordering Russia, and in China Islam is now
clashing with the government as well as Buddhism. In Sudan, Africa, the
country is a staging point for attacks in all African countries below it,
and oddly this is occuring while Muslims are still in the process of
eliminating the rest of the Christians and other religions in Southern
Sudan. In England today, there are more Islamic Mosques than Christian or
Catholic Churches. Today Islam has a following of anywhere from 1 billion to
1.2 billion people, according to which ever report one wishes to believe.
Whatever the actual number, Islam is the world's single biggest religion,
all things considered. 

The only point I wanted to make from all of the above is this: Islam has not
changed it doctrines concerning conquests of territories or the annihlation
of all other religions! Only the methods have been improved! 

The above is a very/extremely brief synopsis of Islamic history. But it is
factual. You can reprove and verify any of the above by reading most any
conventional Western History book. Now I want you the reader to answer a few
questions, to yourself: Concerning ALL you have read above; What do you
think is the current philosophy and doctrines of Islam? What does the past
intent of Islam tell you about its' current plans for the future? What
direction is Islam headed, concerning its' ambitions and goals? What would
the religion attempt to do to achieve those goals; Whatever you the reader
may think those goals are; Does Islam look to be the peaceful religion it
claims to you to be? Should ANYTHING be done in regards to Islam, in regards
to your conclusions? 

With that out of the way, phew; Tough calls isn't it? Maybe not? 

Just What Does Islam Stand For, and Want? 

Major problems with Western Society today concerning Islam, are: Do not we
as a civilized and so called free society, owe Muslims the right to practice
their religion in our country? Aren't we supposed to grant freedoms to ALL?
Does not Western Society see Islam as a peaceful religion, and it having
peaceful people? Does not Islam teach peace? Or does Islam teach war? What
about gods; Does Islam worship the same god as Christianity and Catholicism?
And what is the difference between moderate, fundlementalist and radical
Muslims? I hate to say it, but even the above average American has not the
foggiest idea! Maybe I should say understandings. 

Consider these things in regards to the above: Muslims from Islamic
countries are free to enjoy the freedoms of Western Society; But what
freedoms would we enjoy in an Islamic Society? Should any religion be
tolerated or allowed that promotes violence? (What I mean here, is that the
whole Islamic religion actually teaches violence towards any other culture
or religion, except its' own! It is INTOLERANT of anything but itself, and
it even fights among itself to maintain as radical a philosophy as possible!
I can say this because Islam's philosophy teaches it, and its' past history
proves it! ) How can ANY religion be proclaimed peaceful, when it is
constantly at war, and constantly calling for Holy Jihads? (Does not Islam's
past history prove this also? And does not Islam teach this also?) The
clerics of Islam loves to state how Christians, Catholics, and Jews ALL
share the same the god. Now you tell me; Since Islam rejects Jesus Christ as
being God; How is their god, my GOD? (But they do claim that Christ is a
prophet and is coming to earth again. Makes their sham sound better. Muslims
also get around Koran contradictions by simply stating that the Holy Bible
we know has been corrupted.) 

About the different sects and lines of Islam: Considering the fact that even
the most moderate of Islamic sects is very radical to Western thoughts,
ideals and philosophy; What would that make fundlementalist and radical
Muslim sects to us? (Meaning, all of Islam is radical by Western standards,
all standards! And calling a Muslim radical is really only a worse degree of
a moderate Mulsim! Again the philosphy, doctrines, history and people of
Islam itself proves this. It is like calling the kettle black, but stating
the kettle as being black, or very black, or super black or dark black.) 

Below are excerpts from the Koran, the Islamic Holy Book, and quotes from
Islamic leaders. I have verified the quotes as authentic. They do exist. As
for the context of the writtings out of the Muslim Holy Book; I'll let you
judge for yourself, but I find it close enough to be accurate on all
accounts. But then again, so do the Muslims if it suits their purposes. 
-- Michael Lamb 

Quran: (Muslim Holy Book with Koran) 

[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make
them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change
them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is
Mighty, Wise." 

[22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out
for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which
is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are
hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from
thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the
doom of burning. 

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make
firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip
of them. 

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country.
Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans
who are like them." 
- Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council 

"Kill a settler every day.... Shoot at settlers everywhere.... Woe to you if
you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads.... I
want you to kill as many settlers as possible.... Do not pay attention to
what I say to the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention
only to the written instructions that you receive from me." 
- Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July 2001 

"I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?" 
- Yasser Arafat 

Quran: 

[58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as
were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the
Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty 

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by 'Umar b.
al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say:
I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not
leave any but Muslim. 

Sahih Muslim The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman) Book 001, Number 0033: It has
been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of
Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify
that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and
they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and
property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by
law, and their affairs rest with Allah. 

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor
do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the
religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay
the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of
subjection. 

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to
you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who
guard (against evil). 

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's
life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he
slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. 

[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans
wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for
them in every stratagem 

Quran: [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them
for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the
unjust people. 

Terrorism is a logical outcome of putting the Qur'an into practice. 

The Qur'an promotes permanent struggle against non-Muslims - or at least
until non-Muslims are converted to Islam, subjected to Islamic authority, or
killed. Below is a listing of relevant verses in the Qur'an. 

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them. 

(Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them
(Q.9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews,
humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax(Q. 9: 29). 

It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion
except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). 

It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water
(Q. 14: 17). 

It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the
unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they
shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (Q.5: 34). 

As for the disbelievers, it says that for them garments of fire shall be cut
and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is
in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with
hooked iron rods (Q. 22: 9). 

Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells clearly
that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q.3: 85). 

It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:11), calls them
najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). 

Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that
non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3:
28). 

Quran asks the Muslims to strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor
(Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). 

The holy Prophet demanded his follower to strike off the heads of the
disbelievers then after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up
the remaining captives (Q. 47: 4). 

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their
husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q.
4:34). 

It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their
husbands (Q. 66:10). 

It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). 

It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q.
4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness
is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). 

This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can
produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four
views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many
captive women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is
why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and
allow themselves to rape their women. 

Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they
massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed
that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic
regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them
apostates and the enemies of Allah. 

Islam promises hell to non-Muslims 3:85, 4:56, 5:37, 5:72, 8:55, 9:28,15:2,
21:98-100, 22:19-22, 22:56-57, 25:17-19, 25:55, 29:53-55 31:13, 6:9,
68:10-13, 72:14- 15, 

Islam warms against mixing with non-Muslims 2:21, 3:28, 3:118, 5:51, 5:144,
9:7, 9:28, 58:23, 60:4. 

Islam calls on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims 2:191, 2:193,4:66,
4:84, 5:33, 8:12, 8:15-18, 8:39, 8:59-60,8:65, 9:2-3, 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:39,
9:73, 9:111, 9:123, 25:52, 37:22-23, 47:4-5, 48:29,69:30-37. 

Islam encourages the war against the non-Muslims by glorifying it 2:216,
9:41, 49:15, or by promising lust in paradise to the Shaheeds who die in
such a war 3:142, 3:157-158, 9:20--21. 

One of the most important theme in the Qur'an, perhaps an indication of the
preoccupation in Muhammad's mind is that ofimagery of hell and the
punishment for the unbelievers. 

This is indicated by the huge number of Qur'anic references: al-Baqarah
2:24,119,161,166,201; Al-Imran:10,12,116,131,151,162,192; an-Nisa'
4:55-56,93,97,114,121,169; al-Ma'idah 5:10,37,72,86; al-An`am
6:27,70,128-129, al-A`raf 7:18,36,38,41,50,179; al-Anfal 8:16,36,50;
at-Taubah 9:17,35,49,63,68,73,81,95,109,113; Yunus 10:8,27, Hud
11:16-17,98,106,113,119; ar-Ra`d 13:5,18,35; Ibrahim 14:16,49; al-Hijr
15:43; an-Nahl 16:29,62; bani Isra'il 17:8,18,39,63,97; al-Kahf
18:29,53,100,106; Maryam 19:68,70,86; Ta Ha 20:74, al-Anbiya' 21:39,98;
al-Hajj 22:4,9,19-22,51,72; al-Mu'minun 23:103-104; an-Nur 24:57; al-Furqan
25:11-13,34,65; ash-Shu`ara' 26:91,94; an-Naml 27:90; al-Qasas 28:41;
al-`Ankabut 29:25,54,68, Luqman 31:21; as-Sajdah 32:13,20; al-Ahzab
33:64,66; Saba' 34:12,42; al-Fatir 35:6,36; Ya Sin 36:63; as-Saffat
37:10,23,55,63,68,163; Sad 38:27,56, Sad 38:59,61,64,85; az-Zumar
39:8,16,19,32,60,71-72; al-Mu'min 40:6-7,41,43,46-47,49,60,72,76, Ha Mim
Sajdah 41:19,24,28,40; ash-Shura 42:7; az-Zukhruf 43:74; ad-Dukhan 44:47,56;
al-Jathiyah 45:10,34-35; al-Ahqaf 46:20,34; Muhammad 47:12,15; al-Fath
48:6,13, Qaf 50:24; adh-Dhariyat 51:13; at-Tur 52:13-16,18; al-Qamar 54:48;
ar-Rahman 55:43; al-Waqi`ah 56:94; al-Hadid 57:15,19; al-Mujadilah 58:8,17;
al-Hashr 59:3,17,20, , as-Saff 61:41; at-Taghabun 64:10; at-Tahrim
66:6,9-10; al-Mulk 67:5-10; al-Haqqah 69:31; al-Ma`arij 70:15, Nuh 71:25;
al-Jinn 72:15,23; al-Muzammil 73:12-13; al-Mudathir 74:26-31,42; ad-Dahr
76:4; al-Mursalat 77:31; an-Naba' 78:21; an-Nazi`at 79:36,39, at-Takwir
81:12; al-Infitar 82:14; at-Tatfif 83:16; al-Inshiqaq 84:12; al-Buruj 85:10;
al-A`la 87:12; al-Ghashiyah 88:4; al-Fajr 89:23; al-Balad 90:20, al-Layl
92:14; al-Bayyinah 98:6; al-Qari`ah 101:9-11; at-Takathur 102:6; al-Humazah
104:6-9; al-Lahab 111:3 

99.9% of humans will be in hell. Sahih Bukhari 004.055.567 

"I will not forget this wound to our country, or those who inflicted it. I
will not yield. I will not rest. I will not relent in waging this struggle
for the freedom and security of the American people." 
- President George Bush, September, 2001 

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