Interview with pro-Hindu activist, Mr. Anil Dhir from Bhubaneswar (Odessa)
Mr. Anil Dhir
Many pro-Hindu activists are engaged in protection of Nation and Hindu Dharma through their organizations as also at individual level all over the country. Every Sunday, ‘Dainik Sanatan Prabhat’ will be publishing interviews of such pro-Hindu activists so as to introduce them to other Hindus and motivate other Hindus to become active. Mr. Chetan Rajhans of Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (HJS) had interviewed Mr. Anil Dhir, from Bhubaneswar (Odessa), who is a pro-Hindu activist and striving for protection of Hinduism. He had paid a visit to Sanatan Sanstha’s Ashram at Ramnathi, Goa where he was interviewed. Given below is the first part of this interview.
Interview with pro-Hindu activist, Mr. Anil Dhir from Bhubaneswar (Odessa)
Mr. Anil Dhir |
Introduction
‘Mr. Anil Dhir, a resident of Bhubaneswar (Odessa) was working as Vice President in a finance company at Kolkata. He has been associated with RSS since his childhood. He is also a member of ‘Itihas Sankalan Samiti (Committee for compilation of history)’ of RSS. He is active member of ‘Bharat Raksha Manch’ creating awareness amongst people towards infiltration of Bangla Deshis in India. He is in-charge of Public Relations of BJP for the State of Odessa. He is also a member of ‘Suraksha Samiti (Security Committee)’ of the renowned Sun Temple of Konark. He is a journalist and works for an English weekly periodical called ‘Uday India’ as a special representative and engaged in research journalism. His contribution on ‘Political Hinduism’ and ‘Protection of Nation’ is worthy of special mention in the present situation in India. Few months back when he came in contact with Sanatan Sanstha, he and his family members started chanting his family Deity’s name. He participates in Sanatan Sanstha’s mission of propagation of Dharma in Odessa.
1) Mr. Dheer : He was inspired by his parents to work for Hinduism, felt love for temples since childhood and while studying in a missionary school, revolted when he was forced to adopt Christian culture!
Q: You have been associated with activities related to Hinduism. Who was your inspiration?
Mr. Anil Dhir (D) : I was inspired by my parents at young age. I am from Bhubaneswar in Odessa. Bhubaneswar is known as a city of temples. There is a temple of Jagannath at Puri. I used to feel affinity for the temples even when I was young; but that does not mean that I was very religious or spiritual. I studied in a missionary school. Since I was studying in such school, Christian culture was forced on us. In that situation also, we revolted. Such revolution was in my mind. The atmosphere at home was spiritual. My grand-parents were very religious and they used to worship our family Deity and other Deities; as such we also followed that path.
Q: You were also associated with RSS ?
D: I am associated with RSS since I was in college. Earlier, I used to work for RSS as a full-time member. I have worked in various departments of RSS. I am an office bearer of ‘Bharat Itihas Sankalan Samiti’ of RSS for Odessa State. I attend all programs of RSS held in its ‘Shakha’.
2.B) Activities in North-East India
2.B.1) Information gathered while working for ‘Uday India’, an English monthly periodical about secret movement carried on in North-India
Q: You had been to North-East region of India as a journalist. You have seen the actual position there; tell us about that.
D: An English monthly periodical is published from Delhi called ‘Uday India’. Its Editor Mr. Deepak Raat is also associated with RSS. I had contacted all districts in North -Eastern region through special correspondence; because we used to receive very few news items from that region. Very few correspondents go to the 5 States viz. Tripura, Mizoram, Manipur, Arunachal Pradesh and Assam from main city like Delhi. I had contacted all these States. There is one secret movement going on which is known as ‘infiltration’. I got myself included in this movement and watched it at close quarters. I was covering one State every month.
2.B.2) Presenting reports on small groups which were involved in destruction of Indian culture through medium of conversion in North-East region’s all border areas
D: These 5 States are on the border of India. Infiltration problem was in Bangla Desh. Conversion is the main problem of North-East region. Still conversion movements are undertaken in that region; small groups are working there to destroy Indian culture. Such things cannot be told and not heard by others. I have submitted 2-3 reports on this subject.
2.B.3) Overcoming obstacles in going to North-Eastern region, Dheer meets Irom Sharmila, the ‘Iron lady’ of Manipur !
D: I could not visit many places as there are restrictions. People are not allowed to go there and the region has problems. I had gone to Imphal, the Capital of Manipur. I overcame lot of obstacles and met Manipur’s ‘Iron lady’ in a hospital. She is on hunger strike till death since past 10-12 years. An agitation had been staged at the entrance of ‘APS’.
2.B.4) Near the main office of ‘Assam Rifles’ at Kangla, women come together and put up boards of oppression meted out to them by soldiers; knowing about that oppression by investigating the matter
D: There is ‘Armed Forces Special Protection Act’ applicable to that region. The main office of ‘Assam Rifles’ is at Kangla Fort. Many women had displayed boards that ‘Indian soldiers disrobed them and raped them’. With great difficulty, I found 4-6 such oppressed women and met them to learn about their oppression.
2.b.5) ‘Suraksha Dal’ going after him, becomes difficult to visit the place in case of wrong reporting and problems remain as it is since Indian Government does not pay necessary attention
D: ‘Suraksha Dal’ comes after you and does not let you work. It becomes difficult to re-visit the place in case there is wrong reporting. They keep you under ‘house arrest’. I have stayed with them at many places whereas I had also remained underground. There are many places where I could not go and could not compile news. It is one such corner of India where there are a lot of problems. It is very different from India. The main cause of their problems is Indian Government; no attention is paid to them by the Government.
2.C) Religious condition of Hindus from Assam and Tripura
2.C.1) Terrorist organizations infiltrate thro’ Bangla Desh. In Mizoram 99% population is Christian; therefore, oppressed Hindus move to other States as refugees
Q: How is the condition of Hindus in those States?
D: Terrorist organizations like ‘Hijbul Mujahideen’, ‘LTTE’, ‘JEM’ etc. infiltrate from Bangla Desh. Other 5 States have majority population as Christians. There are few Hindu groups also; but they are oppressed and migrating to other States as refugees.
2.C.2) People belonging to ‘Riyang’ tribe, who were originally Hindus, being oppressed for getting converted, they hide in hills and Indian Government does nothing for them
D: People from ‘Riyang’ tribe were Hindus. Their houses were burnt for forcing them to adopt Christianity, their women were raped, and they were looted. 15,000 Riyangs are staying in hills hiding themselves; but Indian Government is not doing anything for them. Kashmiri Pundits are spread all over India leaving Kashmir; similarly, 15,000 ‘Bruj Riyang’ are staying in hills like gypsies. I have been there. After Dharmapuri, one has to walk till Kanchanpur to reach their camps. The condition in which they are staying is so bad that it cannot be described. They are not engaged in farming. They go to forests and eat ‘bulbs and roots’. If they don’ find it, they try to kill animal and all of them eat it together.
2.C.3) Article written by Dheer in ‘Uday India’, discussed in Parliament and Central Finance Minister, P. Chidambaram only giving promise on his visit
D: The article written by me in ‘Uday India’, was also discussed in the Parliament. Later, Mr. P. Chidambaram went there; but the Government gives only promises. These people are still in touch with me. There is no change in their condition.
In the first part of interview taken by Mr. Chetan Rajhans of HJS, we read about the article written by Mr. Dheer in weekly periodical ‘Uday India’ on religious condition of Hindus in Assam and Tripura and regarding visit of Central Finance Minister, Mr. P. Chidambaram to those places. Now, let us see the second part of the interview.
3) Media keep people unaware of true happenings in North-Eastern region by not publishing news about oppression of Hindus in that region !Mr. Anil Dhir (D): The saddest part is mass media does not publish news about oppression of Hindus in that region. Till the matter is not published, people won’t come to know. We have neglected the North-Eastern region. After going there on number of occasions, we learnt about the revolting factions who want to have separate identity from India. They have started North-Eastern movement.
D: All States in North-Eastern region are big and there, the Central Government has sent army. An Act has been passed viz. Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act to have control over them which has not yet been implemented. People are scared of Indian army and they refer to them not just as ‘Army’ but as ‘Indian Army’. When journalists like us go there, we are asked ‘Are you from India?’ The atmosphere is also very scary as people live under terror. Nobody is found on the roads after 6.00- 7.00 p.m. Theatres have been closed down for number of years. Hindi picture cannot be screened there.
4.B) Interrogated while coming and going to Government offices; therefore, the Government employees go to office as punishment and are not aware of poverty of people
D: If you go to some Government office, you will be interrogated. At many places, such inquiry is conducted giving under the excuse of security. At Manipur, people are interrogated / checked even when leaving office. Indian Government also sometimes, sends its officers and employees by way of punishment to this region. As such, nobody comes to know about the true situation of people; their poverty and pathetic condition. Indian citizens learn out natural calamities, accidents, floods etc. through television or newspapers; but news about happenings in this region is not published anywhere.
4.C) State Governments totally dependent on finance provided by Central Govt. but financial aid sent by them does not reach poor people
D: The local Governments are totally dependent on the Central Government for funds because there is no financial system of their own. Instead of increasing coordination among them and setting right financial system, the Central Government just provides funds. After receiving, the money does not reach truly needy people which is resulting in deterioration of their condition. I met 4-5 groups who used to fight among themselves. If they unite under one roof, neither the Central Government, Parliament, Constitution nor the army can stop them from separating.
D: Church plays an important role in their politics. The church gives direction about who will win; who will govern etc. In a State like Mizoram, no canvassing takes place during elections as the church declares who is to be voted. As 99% population is Christian, they only win. Some of them are problem-shooters; still they are taken care of by the church; therefore, if peace is established, church will stop getting money. Till such situation exists, money will be received and people’s pockets will be filled.
5.B) Majority population is Christian and church has hold over them; remaining Hindus are oppressed for conversion
D: People are ruled by church. Church says that ‘We have gone too far ahead’ which even we will have to accept because in some of the States, 70-80 % population is Christian. Rest could not be converted even after 100 years; but there is lot of pressure on them. They will face same situation like Kashmiri Pandits. They are being told to either get converted or leave.
D: In many parts of North-East, Hindus are not allowed to perform last rites and cremate dead bodies. I am talking about ‘Riang colonies’; they are hiding in ‘Bruj Riang’ mountains for the main reason of not being allowed to perform last rites as per their custom; nor are they allowed to perform ‘puja/ ritualistic worship’. Temples are being demolished; therefore, the number of temples has gone down considerably; leave aside construction of new temples!
8.A) The Govt. is most apathetic towards oppression of Hindus which recently took place in Assam; therefore, despite calling Army, order to shoot was not given. The present situation is very bad
D: The example of Assam is very recent. Even today, there is no peace. The ‘Relief camps’ are also attacked. The Government has not accepted that it was communal violence. The Government was claiming 15-20 days after the riots that it was a fight between ‘Bodos’ and ‘non-Bodos’ i.e tribals and non-tribals. The people who died in that violence were Bodos, Bengalis and Assamese. It was, in fact, a fight between Hindus-Muslims; but the Government did not agree to it. Army was called but very late. The army was instructed not to shoot; therefore, soldiers only marched holding flags. The situation has worsened. After some time, same situation will prevail even in other parts of India.
8.B) If the same situation continues in Assam, it can become a State with Muslims as majority
Q: How is the political situation in Assam ?
D: There is no change in political condition. If such condition continues, within next 15-20 years, it can become a State with Muslims as majority. I will give you only one example. After freedom, there were only two Muslim MLAs in the first State cabinet and now, there are 37. (To be continued)
1) Mr. Dheer : He was inspired by his parents to work for Hinduism, felt love for temples since childhood and while studying in a missionary school, revolted when he was forced to adopt Christian culture!
Q: You have been associated with activities related to Hinduism. Who was your inspiration?
Mr. Anil Dhir (D) : I was inspired by my parents at young age. I am from Bhubaneswar in Odessa. Bhubaneswar is known as a city of temples. There is a temple of Jagannath at Puri. I used to feel affinity for the temples even when I was young; but that does not mean that I was very religious or spiritual. I studied in a missionary school. Since I was studying in such school, Christian culture was forced on us. In that situation also, we revolted. Such revolution was in my mind. The atmosphere at home was spiritual. My grand-parents were very religious and they used to worship our family Deity and other Deities; as such we also followed that path.
2) Activities for Hinduism !
2.A) Since his college days, he was active in RSS !Q: You were also associated with RSS ?
D: I am associated with RSS since I was in college. Earlier, I used to work for RSS as a full-time member. I have worked in various departments of RSS. I am an office bearer of ‘Bharat Itihas Sankalan Samiti’ of RSS for Odessa State. I attend all programs of RSS held in its ‘Shakha’.
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2.B) Activities in North-East India
2.B.1) Information gathered while working for ‘Uday India’, an English monthly periodical about secret movement carried on in North-India
Q: You had been to North-East region of India as a journalist. You have seen the actual position there; tell us about that.
D: An English monthly periodical is published from Delhi called ‘Uday India’. Its Editor Mr. Deepak Raat is also associated with RSS. I had contacted all districts in North -Eastern region through special correspondence; because we used to receive very few news items from that region. Very few correspondents go to the 5 States viz. Tripura, Mizoram, Manipur, Arunachal Pradesh and Assam from main city like Delhi. I had contacted all these States. There is one secret movement going on which is known as ‘infiltration’. I got myself included in this movement and watched it at close quarters. I was covering one State every month.
2.B.2) Presenting reports on small groups which were involved in destruction of Indian culture through medium of conversion in North-East region’s all border areas
D: These 5 States are on the border of India. Infiltration problem was in Bangla Desh. Conversion is the main problem of North-East region. Still conversion movements are undertaken in that region; small groups are working there to destroy Indian culture. Such things cannot be told and not heard by others. I have submitted 2-3 reports on this subject.
2.B.3) Overcoming obstacles in going to North-Eastern region, Dheer meets Irom Sharmila, the ‘Iron lady’ of Manipur !
D: I could not visit many places as there are restrictions. People are not allowed to go there and the region has problems. I had gone to Imphal, the Capital of Manipur. I overcame lot of obstacles and met Manipur’s ‘Iron lady’ in a hospital. She is on hunger strike till death since past 10-12 years. An agitation had been staged at the entrance of ‘APS’.
2.B.4) Near the main office of ‘Assam Rifles’ at Kangla, women come together and put up boards of oppression meted out to them by soldiers; knowing about that oppression by investigating the matter
D: There is ‘Armed Forces Special Protection Act’ applicable to that region. The main office of ‘Assam Rifles’ is at Kangla Fort. Many women had displayed boards that ‘Indian soldiers disrobed them and raped them’. With great difficulty, I found 4-6 such oppressed women and met them to learn about their oppression.
2.b.5) ‘Suraksha Dal’ going after him, becomes difficult to visit the place in case of wrong reporting and problems remain as it is since Indian Government does not pay necessary attention
D: ‘Suraksha Dal’ comes after you and does not let you work. It becomes difficult to re-visit the place in case there is wrong reporting. They keep you under ‘house arrest’. I have stayed with them at many places whereas I had also remained underground. There are many places where I could not go and could not compile news. It is one such corner of India where there are a lot of problems. It is very different from India. The main cause of their problems is Indian Government; no attention is paid to them by the Government.
2.C) Religious condition of Hindus from Assam and Tripura
2.C.1) Terrorist organizations infiltrate thro’ Bangla Desh. In Mizoram 99% population is Christian; therefore, oppressed Hindus move to other States as refugees
Q: How is the condition of Hindus in those States?
D: Terrorist organizations like ‘Hijbul Mujahideen’, ‘LTTE’, ‘JEM’ etc. infiltrate from Bangla Desh. Other 5 States have majority population as Christians. There are few Hindu groups also; but they are oppressed and migrating to other States as refugees.
2.C.2) People belonging to ‘Riyang’ tribe, who were originally Hindus, being oppressed for getting converted, they hide in hills and Indian Government does nothing for them
D: People from ‘Riyang’ tribe were Hindus. Their houses were burnt for forcing them to adopt Christianity, their women were raped, and they were looted. 15,000 Riyangs are staying in hills hiding themselves; but Indian Government is not doing anything for them. Kashmiri Pundits are spread all over India leaving Kashmir; similarly, 15,000 ‘Bruj Riyang’ are staying in hills like gypsies. I have been there. After Dharmapuri, one has to walk till Kanchanpur to reach their camps. The condition in which they are staying is so bad that it cannot be described. They are not engaged in farming. They go to forests and eat ‘bulbs and roots’. If they don’ find it, they try to kill animal and all of them eat it together.
2.C.3) Article written by Dheer in ‘Uday India’, discussed in Parliament and Central Finance Minister, P. Chidambaram only giving promise on his visit
D: The article written by me in ‘Uday India’, was also discussed in the Parliament. Later, Mr. P. Chidambaram went there; but the Government gives only promises. These people are still in touch with me. There is no change in their condition.
…Then rest of India will face the same situation like North-Eastern States due to fanatic Christians and Muslims!
Interview with pro-Hindu activist, Mr. Anil Dhir from Bhubaneswar (Odessa)In the first part of interview taken by Mr. Chetan Rajhans of HJS, we read about the article written by Mr. Dheer in weekly periodical ‘Uday India’ on religious condition of Hindus in Assam and Tripura and regarding visit of Central Finance Minister, Mr. P. Chidambaram to those places. Now, let us see the second part of the interview.
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4) Pathetic condition of people
4.A) Nobody leaves house after 6.00 -7.00 p.m. as people are scared of Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act and Indian armyD: All States in North-Eastern region are big and there, the Central Government has sent army. An Act has been passed viz. Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act to have control over them which has not yet been implemented. People are scared of Indian army and they refer to them not just as ‘Army’ but as ‘Indian Army’. When journalists like us go there, we are asked ‘Are you from India?’ The atmosphere is also very scary as people live under terror. Nobody is found on the roads after 6.00- 7.00 p.m. Theatres have been closed down for number of years. Hindi picture cannot be screened there.
4.B) Interrogated while coming and going to Government offices; therefore, the Government employees go to office as punishment and are not aware of poverty of people
D: If you go to some Government office, you will be interrogated. At many places, such inquiry is conducted giving under the excuse of security. At Manipur, people are interrogated / checked even when leaving office. Indian Government also sometimes, sends its officers and employees by way of punishment to this region. As such, nobody comes to know about the true situation of people; their poverty and pathetic condition. Indian citizens learn out natural calamities, accidents, floods etc. through television or newspapers; but news about happenings in this region is not published anywhere.
4.C) State Governments totally dependent on finance provided by Central Govt. but financial aid sent by them does not reach poor people
D: The local Governments are totally dependent on the Central Government for funds because there is no financial system of their own. Instead of increasing coordination among them and setting right financial system, the Central Government just provides funds. After receiving, the money does not reach truly needy people which is resulting in deterioration of their condition. I met 4-5 groups who used to fight among themselves. If they unite under one roof, neither the Central Government, Parliament, Constitution nor the army can stop them from separating.
5) Activities of churches and their interference in politics in North-Eastern region
5.A) Role played by church in politics is important and party supported by them only wins; few opposition members are getting financial aid from church; therefore, it is impossible to establish peace in that regionD: Church plays an important role in their politics. The church gives direction about who will win; who will govern etc. In a State like Mizoram, no canvassing takes place during elections as the church declares who is to be voted. As 99% population is Christian, they only win. Some of them are problem-shooters; still they are taken care of by the church; therefore, if peace is established, church will stop getting money. Till such situation exists, money will be received and people’s pockets will be filled.
5.B) Majority population is Christian and church has hold over them; remaining Hindus are oppressed for conversion
D: People are ruled by church. Church says that ‘We have gone too far ahead’ which even we will have to accept because in some of the States, 70-80 % population is Christian. Rest could not be converted even after 100 years; but there is lot of pressure on them. They will face same situation like Kashmiri Pandits. They are being told to either get converted or leave.
6) Original Hindus, now living as ‘Riang’ tribe and leading gypsy life in ‘Bruj Riang’ mountains are not allowed to perform last rites of the dead; their temples are also being demolished
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7) Muslims coming from Bangla Desh and Myanmar are also controlled by Christians and despite China trying to create problems, the elected rulers are working as agents of Central Government
D: There are 4 to 5 States in North-Eastern region which are under Christian influence. Muslims are also coming from Bangla Desh and Myanmar (erstwhile Burma); but even they are controlled by Christians. On the other hand, China is always playing some mischief waiting for an excuse to attack India; thus people are unnecessarily getting affected. China is claiming right over Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh. Those people also don’t know with whom they should go. The rulers work as agents of the Central Government. There must be hardly any State where some work is being done.8) Political situation in Assam
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8.A) The Govt. is most apathetic towards oppression of Hindus which recently took place in Assam; therefore, despite calling Army, order to shoot was not given. The present situation is very bad
D: The example of Assam is very recent. Even today, there is no peace. The ‘Relief camps’ are also attacked. The Government has not accepted that it was communal violence. The Government was claiming 15-20 days after the riots that it was a fight between ‘Bodos’ and ‘non-Bodos’ i.e tribals and non-tribals. The people who died in that violence were Bodos, Bengalis and Assamese. It was, in fact, a fight between Hindus-Muslims; but the Government did not agree to it. Army was called but very late. The army was instructed not to shoot; therefore, soldiers only marched holding flags. The situation has worsened. After some time, same situation will prevail even in other parts of India.
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8.B) If the same situation continues in Assam, it can become a State with Muslims as majority
Q: How is the political situation in Assam ?
D: There is no change in political condition. If such condition continues, within next 15-20 years, it can become a State with Muslims as majority. I will give you only one example. After freedom, there were only two Muslim MLAs in the first State cabinet and now, there are 37. (To be continued)
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